Comments on: “Moral Turpitude”—An AdamsDrafting Complete-the-Blog-Post Competition!

By: ray davis

ray davis — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:32:35 +0000

“any crime which, if publically known would decrease the respect, regard, or confidence in which Employee is held in the community, or which, in Employer’s estimation, decreases Employer’s good will in the Employer’s marketplace.”

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Tue, 18 Dec 2007 05:27:20 +0000

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By: Taina Makinen

Taina Makinen — Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:25:41 +0000

Why involve morality at all in law? (Unless, of course, you think that “immoral” means “it’s against the law” and “illegal” means “a sick bird”. ) The use of slippery and shifting concepts like moral turpitude suggests that we need some sort of outlet for our outrage; that decisions made on the basis of legality are apparently insufficient to satisfy our lust for justice. Instead, why don’t we accept that the broad spectrum of legal human behaviours includes the not-very-nice and leave discussions of morality to watercoolers and blogs.

By: Susan

Susan — Wed, 05 Dec 2007 22:47:42 +0000

“Term for convenience” clauses often include a 30 day written notice. In cases where an employee or contractor is convicted of a crime of vile depravity (Webster’s II definition of turpitude) you might prefer having a moral turpitude clause that allows for a swifter response.

By: Cheryl

Cheryl — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:53:18 +0000

I have long wanted to share this story.

25 years ago, a woman brought her prospective husband to my office. He had been rejected by the Canadian immigration authorities for a conviction on a “crime of moral turpitude” committed in L.A.

I asked him about that. He said, “Oh, that was nothin’. Me and some guys stole a bag of donuts off a little old lady.”

By: Eric Goldman

Eric Goldman — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:34:29 +0000

Ken, from the buy-side, I think that often a termination for convenience clause is better than a moral turpitude clause as part of a termination for breach. Naturally, this raises the problems of the interaction between TforConvenience and good faith obligations that we discussed before. Another buy-side alternative is to get a termination right for “objectionable” behavior without defining objectionable or defining it using the buyer’s subjective standards (again measured by the good faith obligation). Eric.

By: Jon Hyman

Jon Hyman — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:25:23 +0000

“Moral turpitude” is something you’d be ashamed to tell your mother you did.

By: Kevin OKeefe

Kevin OKeefe — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:18:53 +0000

Nice idea Ken. Had a client ask me about a similar idea of their’s to get their readers to partcipate with you in blogging. Let’s see how this goes for you – would be something I should blog about – and may just do.

By: DC

DC — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:39:08 +0000

An act of “Moral Turpitude” means an act which either (1)involves an element of deceipt, fraud, or dishonesy, (2) would shock or offend the community at large, or (3) a crime for which the person is indicted and either convicted or the charges are not dismissed within one hundred eighty (180) days after the issuance thereof.