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	<title>Comments on: A Gripping Issue of Notice-Provision Terminology: &#8220;Telecopier,&#8221; &#8220;Facsimile,&#8221; or &#8220;Fax&#8221;?</title>
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		<title>By: Jorge Mafud</title>
		<link>http://www.adamsdrafting.com/2009/03/26/telecopier-facsimile-fax/comment-page-1/#comment-87701</link>
		<dc:creator>Jorge Mafud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding notice provisions, I&#039;ve heard opinions of litigators to not even permit the use of fax or email in contracts since they represent a burden to prove in trial... 

To some extent I agree but I also feel that the law should not go a separte way from modern technology... email is everywhere and everyday tons of emails are sent in connection to agreements and businesses... 

I feel this &quot;long distance&quot; communications issue is here to stay and may take a long time to be solved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding notice provisions, I&#8217;ve heard opinions of litigators to not even permit the use of fax or email in contracts since they represent a burden to prove in trial&#8230; </p>
<p>To some extent I agree but I also feel that the law should not go a separte way from modern technology&#8230; email is everywhere and everyday tons of emails are sent in connection to agreements and businesses&#8230; </p>
<p>I feel this &#8220;long distance&#8221; communications issue is here to stay and may take a long time to be solved.</p>
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		<title>By: AdamsDrafting &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Providing for Notice by Email</title>
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		<dc:creator>AdamsDrafting &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Providing for Notice by Email</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 14:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] satisfied with having prompted my recent foray into fax terminology, reader David Baghdassarian posted to that item the following comment on providing for notice by [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While we are remembering times past, how long did Federal Express offer Zapmail? In the mid-1980&#039;s, you could deliver your document to Federal Express, who would fax it to the Federal Express office of your choice. That office would then deliver the printout to your recipient by courier. Cheap, fast fax machines soon made it obsolete, but like the Pony Express, it was a short-lived but efficient use of the best technology then available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While we are remembering times past, how long did Federal Express offer Zapmail? In the mid-1980&#8217;s, you could deliver your document to Federal Express, who would fax it to the Federal Express office of your choice. That office would then deliver the printout to your recipient by courier. Cheap, fast fax machines soon made it obsolete, but like the Pony Express, it was a short-lived but efficient use of the best technology then available.</p>
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		<title>By: David Baghdassarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Baghdassarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken,

Thanks for answering my question.

As for email notices, the problem I have is that there is too much room for an email to inadvertently be deleted or overlooked, email server to crash, email to be stuck in a spam filter, lost in cyberspace, never sent due to some weird system error, etc. for me to allow for its use as a method of notice at this time. I have allowed for email to be used to provide periodic financial reporting that may be required under an agreement simply for convenience, but for notices of default and the like, delivery of email to a recipient and proof of its receipt is not yet reliable enough for me. And I am a techno-geek who was previously a system administrator. (Maybe that’s why I am so averse to email—I know what can happen to it in transit and how emails and email receipts can be altered.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken,</p>
<p>Thanks for answering my question.</p>
<p>As for email notices, the problem I have is that there is too much room for an email to inadvertently be deleted or overlooked, email server to crash, email to be stuck in a spam filter, lost in cyberspace, never sent due to some weird system error, etc. for me to allow for its use as a method of notice at this time. I have allowed for email to be used to provide periodic financial reporting that may be required under an agreement simply for convenience, but for notices of default and the like, delivery of email to a recipient and proof of its receipt is not yet reliable enough for me. And I am a techno-geek who was previously a system administrator. (Maybe that’s why I am so averse to email—I know what can happen to it in transit and how emails and email receipts can be altered.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Adams</title>
		<link>http://www.adamsdrafting.com/2009/03/26/telecopier-facsimile-fax/comment-page-1/#comment-85544</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chad: I acknowledge in my post that fax is unlikely to be with us much longer. And your comment reminds me that I should tackle the question of email notices. Ken</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chad: I acknowledge in my post that fax is unlikely to be with us much longer. And your comment reminds me that I should tackle the question of email notices. Ken</p>
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		<title>By: Chad Busk</title>
		<link>http://www.adamsdrafting.com/2009/03/26/telecopier-facsimile-fax/comment-page-1/#comment-85494</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad Busk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 00:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have an easy solution to this problem: leave out notice via fax, facsimile, or telecopier entirely. My company has only a few fax machines on each floor of its headquarters, and it is not unheard of that an important letter sent via fax has languished in a fax machine because no bothered to check the machine or was picked up by mistake by the wrong addressee. In my opinion, the best way to assure effective contractual notices is either by overnight courier or US certified mail, return receipt requested.

Then there is the matter of email notices. I allow for email notices as valid if and when acknowledged by the recipient and sent to a generic email address (e.g., legal-notices@ yourcompany.com) which comes to me (in the Legal Department) or another attorney when I am unavailable.

Finally, as other commentators point out, the era of the fax machine is coming to a close, so the tried and true notice provision allowing for faxed, facsimile, or telecopied notices requires updating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have an easy solution to this problem: leave out notice via fax, facsimile, or telecopier entirely. My company has only a few fax machines on each floor of its headquarters, and it is not unheard of that an important letter sent via fax has languished in a fax machine because no bothered to check the machine or was picked up by mistake by the wrong addressee. In my opinion, the best way to assure effective contractual notices is either by overnight courier or US certified mail, return receipt requested.</p>
<p>Then there is the matter of email notices. I allow for email notices as valid if and when acknowledged by the recipient and sent to a generic email address (e.g., legal-notices@ yourcompany.com) which comes to me (in the Legal Department) or another attorney when I am unavailable.</p>
<p>Finally, as other commentators point out, the era of the fax machine is coming to a close, so the tried and true notice provision allowing for faxed, facsimile, or telecopied notices requires updating.</p>
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		<title>By: Please Email; Please Don't Fax; But Whatever You Do, Don't Telex. &#124; PLBT</title>
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		<dc:creator>Please Email; Please Don't Fax; But Whatever You Do, Don't Telex. &#124; PLBT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 19:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] However, I subsequently discovered that the Telex brand still exists via a recent post in Adams Drafting. References to Telexing do appear in contracts, he notes, although not that often. Wikipedia has an [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] However, I subsequently discovered that the Telex brand still exists via a recent post in Adams Drafting. References to Telexing do appear in contracts, he notes, although not that often. Wikipedia has an [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Wheeler</title>
		<link>http://www.adamsdrafting.com/2009/03/26/telecopier-facsimile-fax/comment-page-1/#comment-85253</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Wheeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whenever I see the word &quot;telecopier&quot; in a contract, I can&#039;t help but think of a line spoken by Mr. Burns in a &quot;Simpsons&quot; episode years ago: &quot;I&#039;d like to send this letter to the Prussian consulate in Siam by aeromail. Am I too late for the 4:30 autogyro?&quot;

I&#039;d like to see all of these words go away; let&#039;s replace them with &quot;imaged&quot; or something like it.  A fax is more like a PDF or TIF file than unlike it, so perhaps we shouldn&#039;t use different words which increasingly only serve to describe the recipient&#039;s choice about how the transmission is viewed.

That said, some may still want to draw a distinction between the two based on the transmission &quot;pipes&quot; (i.e., phone vs. internet), but this distinction is also losing its relevance, what with VOIP and the like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whenever I see the word &#8220;telecopier&#8221; in a contract, I can&#8217;t help but think of a line spoken by Mr. Burns in a &#8220;Simpsons&#8221; episode years ago: &#8220;I&#8217;d like to send this letter to the Prussian consulate in Siam by aeromail. Am I too late for the 4:30 autogyro?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see all of these words go away; let&#8217;s replace them with &#8220;imaged&#8221; or something like it.  A fax is more like a PDF or TIF file than unlike it, so perhaps we shouldn&#8217;t use different words which increasingly only serve to describe the recipient&#8217;s choice about how the transmission is viewed.</p>
<p>That said, some may still want to draw a distinction between the two based on the transmission &#8220;pipes&#8221; (i.e., phone vs. internet), but this distinction is also losing its relevance, what with VOIP and the like.</p>
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		<title>By: John Gillies</title>
		<link>http://www.adamsdrafting.com/2009/03/26/telecopier-facsimile-fax/comment-page-1/#comment-85243</link>
		<dc:creator>John Gillies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I first started practice in Toronto, in 1981, we dispatched marked up drafts to the other side by courier, knowing that we had bought ourselves several days to occupy ourselves with other matters, until opposing counsel got around to preparing another draft (literally by cutting and pasting) and couriering it back to us.

Then came the Telecopier, and one could electronically one&#039;s document to the other side, subject to two comments. At the outset, there were hardly any firms or companies in Canada with the machines. Second, and more importantly, it took six minutes to transmit each page. Six minutes! Cheaper than a courier, granted, but time-consuming. It nonetheless gave us some breathing room, but a little less.


Then came the next generation fax machines (and they very quickly became so ubiquitous and cheap that a free-lance writer friend of mine had one in his home office, only a few years after the telecopier years!).

Then followed e-mail, and then the BlackBerry, ...

None of which relates to the drafting issue that you raise, Ken, but the reference to telecopier brought that all back.

Cheers,

John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I first started practice in Toronto, in 1981, we dispatched marked up drafts to the other side by courier, knowing that we had bought ourselves several days to occupy ourselves with other matters, until opposing counsel got around to preparing another draft (literally by cutting and pasting) and couriering it back to us.</p>
<p>Then came the Telecopier, and one could electronically one&#8217;s document to the other side, subject to two comments. At the outset, there were hardly any firms or companies in Canada with the machines. Second, and more importantly, it took six minutes to transmit each page. Six minutes! Cheaper than a courier, granted, but time-consuming. It nonetheless gave us some breathing room, but a little less.</p>
<p>Then came the next generation fax machines (and they very quickly became so ubiquitous and cheap that a free-lance writer friend of mine had one in his home office, only a few years after the telecopier years!).</p>
<p>Then followed e-mail, and then the BlackBerry, &#8230;</p>
<p>None of which relates to the drafting issue that you raise, Ken, but the reference to telecopier brought that all back.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>John</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Comeaux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Comeaux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone still seeing reference to telex and telegrams in notice provisions? I don&#039;t think much about it when I see these terms--it&#039;s usually not worth messing with an optional method of notice in someone else&#039;s agreement.  That&#039;s a surefire way of drawing a charge of &quot;overlaywering.&quot;  And there are usually more important things to focus on.

I was interested to note from the Wikipedia link in your post that &quot;Western Union announced the discontinuation of all of its telegram services effective from 31 January 2006.&quot; I also learned what a telex machine is, and how one works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone still seeing reference to telex and telegrams in notice provisions? I don&#8217;t think much about it when I see these terms&#8211;it&#8217;s usually not worth messing with an optional method of notice in someone else&#8217;s agreement.  That&#8217;s a surefire way of drawing a charge of &#8220;overlaywering.&#8221;  And there are usually more important things to focus on.</p>
<p>I was interested to note from the Wikipedia link in your post that &#8220;Western Union announced the discontinuation of all of its telegram services effective from 31 January 2006.&#8221; I also learned what a telex machine is, and how one works.</p>
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