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	<title>Comments on: Why Bother Learning to Draft Contracts More Clearly?</title>
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		<title>By: Jason Mark Anderman</title>
		<link>http://www.adamsdrafting.com/2009/11/20/why-bother-learning-to-draft-contracts-more-clearly/comment-page-1/#comment-94514</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Mark Anderman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ultimately, I think this boils down to economic incentives.  If you are an associate at a big law firm, you have little incentive to learn how to draft the right way that is so often advocated by Ken (clearly, efficiently, concisely, and leaving as little room as possible to ambiguity in order to reduce litigation risk).  

The attorney who does draft the right way is going to prepare contracts quickly, negotiate rapidly (less unclear, interminable language to argue over), and, as a result, will bill less hours.  The inefficient attorney will instead bill more hours, get a bigger bonus, and have a better chance at being promoted.  Since most contract disputes are handled by negotiation, and most litigation settles, it is unlikely that the inefficient attorney&#039;s small sample size of deals is going to blow up in her face.  Also, by the time the inefficient attorney&#039;s contract results in litigation, the associate will most likely have moved on due to the massive attrition rate (often due to burnout from billing so many hours).  

The good news is that as major corporate procurement departments start using strategic sourcing principles to manage legal services (eBay and United Technologies are already doing so), firms will have to change their incentives to value efficiency. However, this will take quite some time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ultimately, I think this boils down to economic incentives.  If you are an associate at a big law firm, you have little incentive to learn how to draft the right way that is so often advocated by Ken (clearly, efficiently, concisely, and leaving as little room as possible to ambiguity in order to reduce litigation risk).  </p>
<p>The attorney who does draft the right way is going to prepare contracts quickly, negotiate rapidly (less unclear, interminable language to argue over), and, as a result, will bill less hours.  The inefficient attorney will instead bill more hours, get a bigger bonus, and have a better chance at being promoted.  Since most contract disputes are handled by negotiation, and most litigation settles, it is unlikely that the inefficient attorney&#8217;s small sample size of deals is going to blow up in her face.  Also, by the time the inefficient attorney&#8217;s contract results in litigation, the associate will most likely have moved on due to the massive attrition rate (often due to burnout from billing so many hours).  </p>
<p>The good news is that as major corporate procurement departments start using strategic sourcing principles to manage legal services (eBay and United Technologies are already doing so), firms will have to change their incentives to value efficiency. However, this will take quite some time.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Levin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 10:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damon&#039;s comment highlights a short-sightedness that might be pervasive among BigLaw associates.  The worth of a contract (from the drafter&#039;s point of view) should not simply be the fees that are billed for it, but should include the quality of the contract.  A drafter should take pride in the quality of his/her product, just as a manufacturer of goods takes pride in the quality of the goods that it produces.

Another aspect to the short-sightedness is the possible consequence for the drafter of the contract landing up in court.  Very frequently, the issue before the court is the interpretation of the contract.  If one&#039;s client were to lose such a case, the client might come to the drafter seeking compensation for the drafter&#039;s failure to convey what the client wanted conveyed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damon&#8217;s comment highlights a short-sightedness that might be pervasive among BigLaw associates.  The worth of a contract (from the drafter&#8217;s point of view) should not simply be the fees that are billed for it, but should include the quality of the contract.  A drafter should take pride in the quality of his/her product, just as a manufacturer of goods takes pride in the quality of the goods that it produces.</p>
<p>Another aspect to the short-sightedness is the possible consequence for the drafter of the contract landing up in court.  Very frequently, the issue before the court is the interpretation of the contract.  If one&#8217;s client were to lose such a case, the client might come to the drafter seeking compensation for the drafter&#8217;s failure to convey what the client wanted conveyed.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Adams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gil: A slight quibble: I think &quot;substantive&quot; is a function of more than just whether caselaw is involved. I cite a bunch of caselaw in my book, but I wouldn&#039;t claim that that means my discussion of &quot;efforts&quot; provisions, or ambiguity, constitutes discussion of substantive law.

Instead, my rule of thumb is that substantive law relates to what you say in a contract; my &quot;drafting clearer contracts&quot; stuff relates to how you say it.

Ken</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gil: A slight quibble: I think &#8220;substantive&#8221; is a function of more than just whether caselaw is involved. I cite a bunch of caselaw in my book, but I wouldn&#8217;t claim that that means my discussion of &#8220;efforts&#8221; provisions, or ambiguity, constitutes discussion of substantive law.</p>
<p>Instead, my rule of thumb is that substantive law relates to what you say in a contract; my &#8220;drafting clearer contracts&#8221; stuff relates to how you say it.</p>
<p>Ken</p>
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		<title>By: Gil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Ken.

My modest contribution: I&#039;m afraid that we need more precise language to distinguish between, on the one hand, &#039;pure&#039; contract drafting and plain English techniques, and on the other hand, &#039;substantive legal issues(Damon)&#039; - as applied to the content of Contract Drafting courses.

In other words, those that have not had their expectations met by Contract Drafting courses simply haven&#039;t been on the right ones!

From my experience as a trainer on Contract Drafting and Legal English courses, the ideal model course/seminar is a composite of drafting skills AND application the substantive law practised by the delegates. This doesn&#039;t mean being bang up to date with the very latest case-law, but being able to bring some (or many) cases that illuminate the points made. In addition, perusal in the group, of documents that the delegates are working on; thus, making the course diagnostic to them, and not just repeating what Garner or others say, just because it is in a book.

As a trainer in the UK, I also acknowledge differences between the US and English legal systems in this regard - those that I am aware of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Ken.</p>
<p>My modest contribution: I&#8217;m afraid that we need more precise language to distinguish between, on the one hand, &#8216;pure&#8217; contract drafting and plain English techniques, and on the other hand, &#8217;substantive legal issues(Damon)&#8217; &#8211; as applied to the content of Contract Drafting courses.</p>
<p>In other words, those that have not had their expectations met by Contract Drafting courses simply haven&#8217;t been on the right ones!</p>
<p>From my experience as a trainer on Contract Drafting and Legal English courses, the ideal model course/seminar is a composite of drafting skills AND application the substantive law practised by the delegates. This doesn&#8217;t mean being bang up to date with the very latest case-law, but being able to bring some (or many) cases that illuminate the points made. In addition, perusal in the group, of documents that the delegates are working on; thus, making the course diagnostic to them, and not just repeating what Garner or others say, just because it is in a book.</p>
<p>As a trainer in the UK, I also acknowledge differences between the US and English legal systems in this regard &#8211; those that I am aware of.</p>
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		<title>By: theo</title>
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		<dc:creator>theo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great piece; as a contracts manager, former journalist and writer, I find myself confined by the strictures of the forms, templates and clauses used by attorneys. Contracts managers probably do more low-level drafting than attorneys but unfortunately do not have the option of being change agents or evangelists for your thesis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great piece; as a contracts manager, former journalist and writer, I find myself confined by the strictures of the forms, templates and clauses used by attorneys. Contracts managers probably do more low-level drafting than attorneys but unfortunately do not have the option of being change agents or evangelists for your thesis.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found the quote about attending substantive CLE presentations quite interesting. I don&#039;t know about others, but I would much rather attend a CLE on a non substantive topic (drafting, legal technology, practice management, cross examination) than on a substantive legal topic. I spent 3 years in law school learning how to ascertain what the law says. Also, I regularly keep up with developments in my substantive practice areas. I would much rather spending my time having someone tell me about the stuff I don&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found the quote about attending substantive CLE presentations quite interesting. I don&#8217;t know about others, but I would much rather attend a CLE on a non substantive topic (drafting, legal technology, practice management, cross examination) than on a substantive legal topic. I spent 3 years in law school learning how to ascertain what the law says. Also, I regularly keep up with developments in my substantive practice areas. I would much rather spending my time having someone tell me about the stuff I don&#8217;t know.</p>
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