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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Shall Never&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Ken Adams</title>
		<link>http://www.adamsdrafting.com/2009/11/27/shall-never/comment-page-1/#comment-94118</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 11:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark: I think that the distinction you draw requires a semantic leap on the part of the reader, namely that &quot;never&quot; necessarily applies beyond the term of the agreement. Ken</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark: I think that the distinction you draw requires a semantic leap on the part of the reader, namely that &#8220;never&#8221; necessarily applies beyond the term of the agreement. Ken</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 11:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you say it is rhetorical you are suggesting that they mean the same, but I can well imagine a contract in which the meanings are distinct.

For example, in an employment contract I might agree that I shall not engage in other work that competes with my employer and that I shall never reveal company secrets.

The first obligation ceases if I resign; the second obligation remains.

To be clear, I am not suggesting that is a good way to draft it, but the terms are logically distinct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you say it is rhetorical you are suggesting that they mean the same, but I can well imagine a contract in which the meanings are distinct.</p>
<p>For example, in an employment contract I might agree that I shall not engage in other work that competes with my employer and that I shall never reveal company secrets.</p>
<p>The first obligation ceases if I resign; the second obligation remains.</p>
<p>To be clear, I am not suggesting that is a good way to draft it, but the terms are logically distinct.</p>
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		<title>By: Q&#38;B</title>
		<link>http://www.adamsdrafting.com/2009/11/27/shall-never/comment-page-1/#comment-93965</link>
		<dc:creator>Q&#38;B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 22:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with Tom Trotter. &quot;Never&quot; is merely a contracted form of &quot;not ever.&quot; (If I recall my Sweet&#039;s Primer correctly, it&#039;s descended from &quot;ne aefre.&quot;)  &quot;Specifically&quot; and &quot;particularly&quot; are relative; &quot;ever&quot;--or, in any event, &quot;not ever&quot;--is not. It seems quite unlikely that using &quot;shall not&quot; and &quot;shall never&quot; interchangeably in a single document would give rise to the argument Tom outlines--unless, of course, the context of the document itself suggests some limited temporal frame that might plausibly be said to correspond to &quot;shall not,&quot; in juxtaposition to some perpetual temporal frame that might plausibly be said to correspond to &quot;shall never.&quot;  Still, using &quot;shall not&quot; and &quot;shall never&quot; synonymously in a single document is inexcusably careless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with Tom Trotter. &#8220;Never&#8221; is merely a contracted form of &#8220;not ever.&#8221; (If I recall my Sweet&#8217;s Primer correctly, it&#8217;s descended from &#8220;ne aefre.&#8221;)  &#8220;Specifically&#8221; and &#8220;particularly&#8221; are relative; &#8220;ever&#8221;&#8211;or, in any event, &#8220;not ever&#8221;&#8211;is not. It seems quite unlikely that using &#8220;shall not&#8221; and &#8220;shall never&#8221; interchangeably in a single document would give rise to the argument Tom outlines&#8211;unless, of course, the context of the document itself suggests some limited temporal frame that might plausibly be said to correspond to &#8220;shall not,&#8221; in juxtaposition to some perpetual temporal frame that might plausibly be said to correspond to &#8220;shall never.&#8221;  Still, using &#8220;shall not&#8221; and &#8220;shall never&#8221; synonymously in a single document is inexcusably careless.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Trotter</title>
		<link>http://www.adamsdrafting.com/2009/11/27/shall-never/comment-page-1/#comment-93760</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Trotter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree.  A similar construction is &quot;shall in no way.&quot; It is also like &quot;specifically agree&quot; or &quot;particularly agree&quot; in that it opens the door for a party to claim that &quot;shall never&quot; must mean something different than &quot;shall not,&quot; so that a &quot;shall not&quot; provision may be violated in certain circumstances, while a &quot;shall never&quot; can never be violated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  A similar construction is &#8220;shall in no way.&#8221; It is also like &#8220;specifically agree&#8221; or &#8220;particularly agree&#8221; in that it opens the door for a party to claim that &#8220;shall never&#8221; must mean something different than &#8220;shall not,&#8221; so that a &#8220;shall not&#8221; provision may be violated in certain circumstances, while a &#8220;shall never&#8221; can never be violated.</p>
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